My Colts have dual cylinders, 44-40 & Special. Hoping for army contracts S&W submitted the new Model #3 to the U.S. Government for testing. I've 'made' .455 brass but .45 long colt brass is on the thick side when you trim it that short. Contest open to U.S. residents only. Deployed military should use stateside address. Two of those revolvers ended up in this camp, a Richards Type II conversion with a 5" barrel and the Richards-Mason conversion with an 8" barrel. Stopping a human threat and humanely harvesting an animal are two very different things. So instead of offering hotter .44 Specials, the .44 Magnum was born. He offered his hot .44 Special loads through mail order with plenty of success. Prizes will not be awarded if illegal in jurisdiction of winner(s). Prizes will not be awarded if illegal in jurisdiction of winner(s). I know 18 such rounds came with my first S&W .44 Magnum in 1968. And I suppose your wife. Box 1926, Escondido, CA 92033. Associated taxes and fees will be the responsibility of the winner. Except he disliked the two-diameter heel-type bullet used in .44/100. 44-40 or 44WCF are larger diameter cases like 45 Colt cases then bottle necked to a .427 bullet. In a self-defense situation, where your children are sleeping on the other side of the wall behind the bad guy, too much penetration can have fatal consequences. No substitutions or transfers to a third party are allowed. Older black-powder ammunition was in the process of being converted to smokeless. N.S.F.W. (I) Giveaway ends September 30, 2022. Giveaway prizes may have evidence of being test fired or exhibit minor handling marks. However, you can shoot .44 Spl ammo in most .44 Magnum firearms. It was not a bad cartridge at all but nothing really new, yet. The .44 Spl has been mostly kept alive by custom handloaders and cowboy action shooters. (I) Giveaway ends March 31, 2023. (III) Giveaway winner(s) chosen by random drawing. The .44 Russian chambering became a hit in the domestic market as well, gaining a reputation as the first American revolver cartridge offering inherent accuracy. is a Navy Arms replica of a 3rd Model S&W .44 Russian. not. of Trail Boss for right around 685 fps. Until quite recently, the factory loads for the .44 Special have been pretty anemica 246-gr. To protect the privacy and security of winners, names will not be made public. "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, I won't be laid a hand on. The .44 Russian was the parent cartridge for the .44 Special introduced in 1907, which in turn was the parent to the .44 Magnum in 1956. Other Models S&W chambered the Model #3 Russian and the New Model #3, both single action top-breaks, in .44 Russian. Employees and agents of Publishers Development Corp. are not eligible. All the major bullet manufacturers, including Sierra, Nosler, and Hornady, have multiple options for .429-inch bullets. Elmer Keith had pushed the envelope for years with ever heavier bullets sent downrange at faster and faster velocities. Out of curiosity, I tried chambering some .44 Spl. I was chambering .44 Russian in a 44-40 chamber, not .44 magnum or .44 Spl. S&W and Colt no longer make any. BTW, before the Magnum was even thought of the .44 S&W Special was the Bullseye Competition Cartridge of Choice for many years. Lighter loads. The Flying Ashtray was, is and will always be the sadly discontinued #4477 Speer 200g JHP. Contest void where prohibited by law. Accurate, Powerful and Reliable, the .44 Special Really Is Special", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=.44_Russian&oldid=1140458460, Ten-X ammunition 200 grain lead round nose and flat point, JMJ Smith Ammo Inc. ammunition 200 grain lead round nose, flat point, This page was last edited on 20 February 2023, at 04:29. Other revolver events are dominated by the medium bores; Jerry Miculek may run a .44 Magnum faster than you'd believe but remember that you aren't Jerry Miculek. Feb 21, 2010 I have been doing it for years, its just like shooting 38 Specials in a 357 Magnum. $11. [1] The .44 Russian design marked the first use of an internally lubricated bullet in modern firearm ammunition. BTW, before the Magnum was even thought of the .44 S&W Special was the Bullseye Competition Cartridge of Choice for many years. Some .44 Magnum sixguns will shoot the shorter .44 Special loads well while others give mediocre performance. Charter Arms still manufactures the Bulldog in .44 Special, including 2.5-inch and 4-inch modelsbut Charter Arms guns are, as Jeff Cooper put it, to be carried often and shot little. As matters progressed, the Russians wanted changes in the Model #3 and the allure of gold was incentive for S&W to make them. Related Links; Rock Island Arsenal Bolt action .22 TCM; Savage Arms Corp. Model 24 Combination Gun .22LR/.410 GA; SMITH & WESSON S&W 14-2 K-38 MASTERPIECE 38 . WARTHOG, Dirty Rat #600, BOLD #1056, CGCS,GCSAA, NMLRA, NRA, AF&AM, CBBRC. Page created in 0.116 seconds with 27 queries. All entries must be received by giveaway end date. Only a mother could love a face like yours. He warped around at the speed of heat, immediately striking and striking again while I desperately crab-walked backward, one-handing shots at him while he, Rival Arms expands its offerings with the X1 Red Dot, a 3 MOA red dot ideally suited for use on defensive pistols, target pistols, rifles, hunting and Quite possibly, for the very first time, all three Gun Cranks agree on something open carry is stupid! First - The 44 Russian case is considerably smaller in diameter than the 44-40 at the base and throughout the entire case dimension. Many shooters find the Magnums recoil difficult to control. This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies. The .44 Russian's development dates back to 1870, when Russian General Alexander Gorloff, stationed at the U.S. Embassy in Washington D.C., approached Smith & Wesson regarding the possibility of purchasing a large quantity of its Model 3 revolvers for the Imperial Russian Army. In a high-adrenaline situation, taming that wild recoil takes serious muscle and concentration. The .44 Mag remains one of the most popular big-bore cartridges. No powdah. Colt chambered the Single Action Army in .44 Russian and after the .44 Special arrived they chambered for it too, marking the barrel: Russian and S&W Special .44. Colt also chambered a very few of their Model 1878 Double Action sixguns in .44 Russian and S&W, even though the Triple-Lock debuted in .44 Special, apparently had to take care of some diehards and thus a few Triple-Locks are also found chambered in .44 Russian. of Universal for just under 760 fps and 1 groups. (I) Giveaway ends March 31, 2023. Meanwhile, the .44 Spl's recoil is mild as milk. Employees and agents of Publishers Development Corp. are not eligible. Keith pestered the ammo companies to bring out heavier .44 Special loads, but there was a fear that such powerful loads would blow up an older, weaker revolver. No substitutions or transfers to a third party are allowed. LRN GZN LRN GZN - Lead round nose, black antifriction coating . This evolutionary improvement became an archetype, influencing future cartridge designs. A Russian general serving as a diplomat in America took note of the Model #3 and thought it would be an excellent sidearm for the Czars cavalry. The Flying Ashtray was, is and will always be the sadly discontinued #4477 Speer 200g JHP. No purchase necessary. ", "The .44 Special Cartridge of the Century? First introduced in 1907, the .44 S&W Special cartridge was developed specifically as a revolver cartridge for the companys new Triple Lock wheel gun. I would load a couple of dummy rounds (no powder/primer) and try it. With improved firearm metallurgy available, Smith & Wesson increased the bullet weight of the new cartridge to 246 grains while retaining a heavy 23-grain black-powder propellant charge, which almost equaled that of the .44 American and produced a muzzle velocity of roughly 750ft/s. Cowboy 44 44 Magnum Cowboy .44 Magnum 180 Grain TCFP BLACK Hi-Tek Coated Lead Cowboy Action~100% Hand-Loaded!! and its .44 Spl. Smith & Wesson, Colt, Ruger, Korth, Taurusthe list goes on. (III) Giveaway winner(s) chosen by random drawing. They lengthened the .44 Russian case -.19",. Using a .44 special case the 800fps load requires 5.5 gr of Bullseye. Not me ! The Rossi clone lives up to the legend, and offers some nice modern features. Prizes will not be awarded if illegal in jurisdiction of winner(s). The gentler .44 Special is definitely easier to control, especially when it comes to making accurate follow-up shots. Using A .44 magnum case a 240gr lead bullet uses 5.1 gr Bullseye to get 800fps for a .44 Russian load. You can also shoot a mini shotgun shell in it sometimes called snake shot. Experimenters such as Elmer Keith proved that a heavily loaded .44 Special was very effective on big game. Colt and everyone else that makes single actions frequently offer dual cylinder models in .44/40 and .44 Special. (III) Giveaway winner(s) chosen by random drawing. The .44 Russian still provides much pleasurable shooting. can be handloaded with the same bullet. You have entered an incorrect email address! Some people drive without seat belts too. Ruger New Model Blackhawk Centerfire Revolvers. My comment is that .44 mag cartridges dont have to be loaded to maximum. We should also point out that there are plenty of lever rifles that pack .44 Mag, and the longer barrels definitely support a flatter trajectory and better long-range accuracy. [2], In the early 1870s, General Alexander Gorloff, the military attach assigned to the Russian Embassy in Washington, D.C., approached Smith & Wesson about the possibility of negotiating a military sales contract for the purchase of a large number of Smith & Wesson Model 3 revolvers for the Imperial Russian Army. The cartridge remains popular in the United States and many rounds like the 44 Special and 44 Magnum were directly influenced by it. A First-Year Magnum: Shooting The S&W "Pre-29" by JUSTIN DYAL; Contact; Donate; Eye Candy for the Gentlemen out there; How to start a career in Education Part One; N.S.F.W. The .44 Magnum is more popular for metallic silhouette shooting (such as IMSSU events) given the flatter trajectory and greater power. Loading the 44 russian may need a new die or two. The .44 Russian rds chambered just fine, the .44 Spl. The actual ballistics obtained with your firearm can vary considerably from the advertised ballistics. The Duke was also feted with a US governmentpaid buffalo hunting trip with Buffalo Bill Cody and US generals Philip Sheridan and George Armstrong Custer, where he was impressed with Cody's adeptness with firearms. Some will get on here and say its fine to shoot .44 Special/Russian in a .44-40 cylinder and they do it all the time. First, the Rossi is a very high-quality clone and performs every bit as well as an original Model 1892. As we said, the .44 Mag has a slightly longer case than the .44 Spl. California is to the United States what Syria is to Russia and North Korea is to China/South Korea/Japan--a Hermit Kingdom detached from the real world and led by delusional maniacs, an economic and social basket case sustained by "foreign" aid so as to not lose military bases. Deployed military should use stateside address. Box 1926, Escondido, CA 92033. Can You Shoot .44 Special in a .44 Magnum Handgun? [4], The .44 Russian was the parent cartridge for the .44 Special introduced in 1907, which in turn was the parent to the .44 Magnum in 1956.[2]. All Rights Reserved. (In fact, they'll chamber the .44 Special cartridges.) The bear, during the attack, moved from one hunter to the other, giving Doug the chance to access Reed's .44 magnum, that had been hung in a tree. Family. been EDCing a Charter Arms 4 Bulldog for years. I can shoot them all, except for the extra-long Russian's. If you were really torn about these two cartridges, the best practice would be to get a .44 Magnum and figure out which .44 Special loads shoot to the sights and don't lose any accuracy. Mechanical accuracy has an enormous number of variables. Quad-ported by Mag-Na-Port and put a 500 S&W Hogue recoil absorbing grip on it. The S&W Model 29 was so popular that it quickly sold out, leaving customers to flock to other .44 Magnum revolvers like the Ruger Redhawk. Midsouth Shooters can supply you with your pistol and rifle ammunition, as well as all of your shooting and reloading supplies. The most accurate bullet Ive found in this .44 Russian is the RCBS #44-200CM over 5.0 grs. Comfortable shoes. When a hunter shoots an animal, it may not drop dead in its tracks. Contest void where prohibited by law. They started to bind up at around four or five rounds. If we try to get all the exterior factors as close to equal as possible, the .44 Mag still throws some powerful recoil. .44 Russians (Flat Nose) will not function in my Browning B-92 .44 Magnum. Great Brass by a company with top notch customer . Cartridge Specs: .44 Magnum vs .44 Special. Contest open to U.S. residents only. I hav never understood the propensity for people to try the wrong cartridge in their firearms. Later all lube grooves were covered as would be right and proper with lead alloy bullets. Bill Jordan said as much in his book No Second Place Winner; as did fellow Border Patrolman Skeeter Skelton. (III) Giveaway winner(s) chosen by random drawing. Smith & Wesson - 69 Combat Magnum .44 Mag 2.75 SS. Deep penetration can be either a blessing or a curse, depending on the scenario. Lots of folks said "ohh, bad juju" but he says he had no problems. And all of them can be used to load both .44 Spl and .44 Mag. Their 180 JHP clocked at 1,202 fps with a 1-3/8 group and the 255 Hard Cast Keith Gas Check Outdoorsman was at 1,058 fps and a 1 group. Box 1926, Escondido, CA 92033. All entries must be received by giveaway end date. Smith & Wesson released their new wheel gun chambered for a more modern .44-caliber cartridge - the .44 Smith & Wesson Special. I like Black Rifle Coffee. The shorter case of .44 Special can cause feeding issues in some .44 Magnum carbines (Winchesters are said to be the most prone) and not all loads will shoot to the sights. GO BACK. I don't recall him saying if he was able to reload those cases or not. No way to know, some leverguns feed anything just fine, others make be fine with 357 mag but choke on 38 special. The .44 Remington Magnum (better known as simply .44 Mag) and .44 Smith & Wesson Special (also called .44 S&W Special, .44 Special, and .44 Spl) actually have more similarities than differences. Some people use a .428 bullet in 44-40 and that same bullet can be used in 44 Russian and .44 Spl-Mag. The .44 Russian, also known as the .44 S&W Russian, is a black-powder center-fire metallic revolver cartridge developed by Smith & Wesson in 1870. Lorenz originally filmed grizzlys without carrying a pistol.. However, bullets changed from 246-gr. Sacred cows are always fair game. You may be thinking of the 44 Magnum or the 44 Special, they will both chamber the 44 Russian, as it is the parent round of both. Pro: Very fast reloads Con: $200 to machine, $8 per clip; and you need a lot. The original .44 Special load introduced by Smith & Wesson featured a 246-grain round-nose lead bullet backed by a smokeless powder charge equivalent to 26 grains of black powder. (III) Giveaway winner(s) chosen by random drawing. The short round probably will not go into the loading die far enough to crimp the bullet in place. Heres the early .44 Smith & Wesson cartridges, (left to right) .44 American, Russian and Special. Cowboy load for .44 Magnum I started shooting with a local Cowboy Action Shooting club several months ago. This revolver was chambered in a .44 centerfire, however to accommodate those who had Winchesters and wanted a companion revolver, S&W also chambered the American in .44 Rimfire, used in the Henry and Winchester 1866 Yellowboy leverguns. Contest open to U.S. residents only. Less powder (you'll notice in in the posder bills too). By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use. The .44Spl is a wonderful cartridge in the GP-100 and a bit of a handful in the Charter Arms Bulldog Pug when loading jacketed bullets although big, heavy, slow lead bullets work just fine. Starline produces ready to load brass and of course any .429/.430 inch lead bullet between about 180 to 250 grains is usable. To protect the privacy and security of winners, names will not be made public. If you can reload them, put a hollowpoint or a wad cutter in there and let me know how it works. It can increase the muzzle velocity of a 200-grain JHP by 150%. There was a guy on here some years ago who regularly shot 44 Russian cases in his 44-40 Henry, using a modified carrier to feed the shorter round. Above: Samples of revolvers chambered for all three .44s. I've been shooting a 44 Mag for over 50 years and have used all manufactures of brass. 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