See the article in its original context from. Q: When were you actually told about your father and the assassination?A: Something had come up where Mom had old boxes of letters out. It's not a matter of being ashamed, it's a matter of wanting to be judged as June Oswald and not "the daughter of Lee Harvey Oswald.". There were times when we didn't have milk to drink. If she were in contact with my children nowI do not want her to cripple them.". The first car was The National Enquirer. Oct. 19, 2013 at Loyola University in New Orleans. It was the committees hope to keep the matter from becoming public information in order that Mrs. Oswalds opportunity to review the matter objectively would not be lost, he said. He tracked me down. She was born after her family moved to Dallas from Russia. My secretary in my last job put two and two together based on one of those articles. Reporters came over and she would tell us, "Shhhh, go in the other room.". Q: And if someone were to show scientifically that Lee Oswald was or wasn't involved, that wouldn't make a difference to you? She discovered his true identity while sifting through newspaper clippings and mementos in the attic. I can't imagine the burden they've carried over the years, but I hope they have found some peace in their lives. I was really supportive. Q: How did you feel about being singled out?A: I remember what I did during that time-out was, I plotted how I could run for class president and win! He said things when we were together like he really wanted to have children because "that would be the blood of Lee Harvey Oswald that was flowing through the kids.". And she's just welcoming them with open arms. "We have to get the Government to move before it's too late.". The assassination has also been a constant in the life of June Oswald Porter, the 33-year-old daughter of Lee Harvey Oswald. Q: Over the years, you've kept a pretty low profile. Just out of the blue. Thanks for this. When I was reading the interview with June and she made the comment abouty getting the, call from someone who had written a song at first I was a little jarred. "We have to get the Government to move before it's too late.". It sounds as if most people are not aware you're Lee Oswald's daughter.A: Yes and no. They said it would depreciate the value of their home. Rachel loved listening to that. Based on U-M and church records, this may well have been Maurine Hovey Nolan, an ELI lecturer and longtime member of the congregation. Oh great!" But both reneged after learning that the funeral would be outside by the grave rather than in a chapel, fearing the potential threat of snipers. To avoid argument, the gravediggers were told they were digging a hole for William Bobo., As Secret Service, FBI agents, and a heavy police guard stood watch, seven newsmen serving asvolunteerpallbearers carried the pine coffin to the grave. Hey Dixie! She sat us down, with my stepbrother, and started to explain who our father was- that it wasn't Kenneth - and who Lee was and what he had done. Oh great!". The public first came to know Marina Oswald through a black-and-white photograph snapped as she left a Dallas jail, where her husband was held after the Kennedy shooting. For years, the widow of Lee Harvey Oswald has avoided cameras while she tries to live a quiet life in Rockwall, northeast of Dallas. But earlier th A: Kenneth. Q: What is the status of your present-day identity? Lee Harvey Oswald in custody on Nov. 22, 1963. Ann Arbor police and campus officials vehemently denied the reports; Oswald herself told them she had not been assaulted in any way, physically or verbally. And I said, "Yes?" Church leaders had suggested to Oswald that she use an assumed name when coming to Ann Arbor, but she declined. Two days later, as authorities transferred him to a different jail, Oswald was gunned down by Jack Ruby, a Dallas nightclub owner. The minister, the Rev. And I'll tell you why: It could come up at any minute.Q: Did you see the "Seinfeld" episode in which they're at the ball park, and they get spat upon, and --A: The "second spitter," right. And they got my mother on television in a live interview -- she still doesn't have a good grasp of the language -- and they were asking her specific questions about this book. Q: When were you actually told about your father and the assassination? ", on Interview with Lee Harvey Oswalds Daughter She Believes in his Innocence, Interview with Lee Harvey Oswalds Daughter She Believes in his Innocence. TimesMachine is an exclusive benefit for home delivery and digital subscribers. He shared what it was like for First Presbyterian to have been in the spotlight helping Oswald and of the letters that arrived on his desk. I can tell you that I am very excited about the book in concept. And they say: "Oh, we can take pictures? I didn't break down and cry or anything. Two Lutheran ministers had agreed to conduct the service at the request of the Reverend Louis Saunders, an interdenominational Christian minister. The assassination has also been a constant in the life of June Oswald Porter, the 33-year-old daughter of Lee Harvey Oswald. Flash forward to June 1962, and Oswald was back in the States, this time with a Soviet wife and newborn daughter. I've never seen her act like that, like she needed to become more of a crusader, and it's taking its toll.Q: On your relationship with her as well?A: It has put certain strains on it. Are you able to maintain the same detachment when you see that?A: The first time I saw it I was very upset, but it gets to the point where it almost becomes unreal, this movie you're watching that has very little to do with you as a person. (1963 - 2013) Photos: 50. Marina Oswald Porter was the Soviet-American widow of Lee Harvey Oswald. The first chapter opens with my family, and he goes way back to my great-grandmother in Russia. We always had this really bad connection, and when you'd pick up the phone you'd hear that other click. ", My biggest concern was that people at the office had my home address and phone number and I didn't want it leaked to The National Enquirer. And she recalls her childhood as a "pretty happy" time, thanks in large part to her stepfather. Her coldness struck me. This is material I never would have known about insofar as my mother's side of the family, because my mother was illegitimate, you know. The churchs executive committee agreed. It was always a big deal in November, when it was very stressful in the house. "It is my own opinion that she is out right now to make as much money as she can on her relationship with Lee Harvey Oswald," he told the Warren Commission. A: I remember what I did during that time-out was, I plotted how I could run for class president and win! You try to be nice because you don't want to make somebody upset who's going to seek you out if they're kooky enough to do that stuff anyway. If the truth can be found that shows Lee had nothing to do with the assassination, I would feel better in that there have been a lot of things said and done regarding my family that all proceeded from an erroneous perception of what he did or didn't do. Well, that's what Rachel wants to believe. And I'm gonna be in Dallas, and I want to sing it to you.". It would seem a perfect fit for Oswald. Terms of Use Without any sources, national news outlets began reporting that two women students allegedly attacked Oswald in a campus building. The Loyola symposium was her first public appearance in 10 years after living in Europe, claiming she moves every 90 days. An ELI official described her as an average student. Additionally, Porter told the commission she believed her husband was guilty of shooting President Kennedy on Nov. 22, 1963. My husband couldn't have cared less. I do blame him for having beat my mother, and not being a good father -- or a good provider. Is David Lifton still working on a book about Lee? You have permission to edit this article. And I'm gonna be in Dallas, and I want to sing it to you. She also said she watched Oswalds shooting by Jack Ruby two days later. When money ran low, she sold a letter or document connected to Oswald or an article of his clothing. June is quieter about her own marriage, which ended in 1992. And we got to President Kennedy and I was told to go across the hall during that one. Mailer is such a great writer; I was just so enthralled. I usually end up telling people that I'm seeing very often. Others told us that our action was unwise, still others that it was unfair. I started worrying about, first of all, do I have a responsibility to tell them? It also gives us information that helps explain Marina Oswalds comments about the assassination. Q: How did you feel about being singled out? We visited the set of "JFK" when it was going on, and somebody said, "Your father was a hero." He had been covering activities at the Dallas Police Department Building for KRLD and CBS News, standing no more than 11 feet from Oswald when he heard Jack Ruby's .38 revolver and saw Oswald fall. Where is your respect for President Kennedy?. It was in Minsk that, in 1959, she met an American, Lee Harvey Oswald, who had defected to the USSR at the height of the Cold War, when tensions between the U.S. and the Soviets were running high. Oswalds wife Marina, two daughters, brother Robert and mother Marguerite were the only mourners. Nonetheless, during several interviews over the past she reports being content. He was 99. She managed to evade the media upon arriving (She slipped into our community at night by train while a battery of reporters were waiting hawkishly at the airport, Campbell said), but photographers were waiting when she stepped onto campus the morning of January 5 for ELI orientation. She was the aggrieved. A: Something had come up where Mom had old boxes of letters out. The couple wed So I said, O.K, this is it. Porter was born in the city of Molotovsk, in Arkhangelsk Oblast, in the northwest of the USSR. Q: On your relationship with her as well? The next memory I actually have is in second grade. He wasn't much of a husband, he wasn't much of a father. He was 99. He encouraged First Presbyterian members to maintain a vital balance between personal religion and constructive involvement in the ongoing life of the world.. They first met last April in Washington. I hung up the phone shaking my head at Marguerite Oswald's dizzying logic. She left town two days later, an alumna of Michigan. An obituary in the Wichita Falls Times Record News reported the elder Oswald was 83 at the time of his death. Do I need to be more compassionate about it? The Presidents were all around the walls in the rooms. They had no idea their church had offered to host her, to the point of leaders offering to pay for her transportation, housing and coursework out of their own pockets. I didn't break down and cry or anything. She copied it and put it on all my staff's desks. It's not a matter of being ashamed, it's a matter of wanting to be judged as June Oswald and not "the daughter of Lee Harvey Oswald.". And she said: "I'm so and so, and I just want you to know that I've written a song about you - and your child. Because that's mostly what I think of when I think of Lee. Q: How old were you then?A: It would have been, like, first grade. I went on a car trip up to the house I had lived in with Lee, Lee's boarding house, another house Mom had lived in with Lee that's still standing, the path of the motorcade, where the bullets hit.Q: How did you feel about that?A: It was -- unusual. Q: To what extent have you followed the various conspiracy theories?A: It's only in recent years that I've started to get involved in all that, mostly as part of trying to get the records released. My boyfriend would sneak down to Priscilla's basement and read all her old files. I've wondered what my kids are going to turn out like. After her death from cancer on January 17, 1981, Marguerite Claverie Oswald was laid to rest in the Rose Hill Cemetery. Oswald's girlfriend offers variation on JFK assassination, Opinion: Put the coke back in coke for the sake of the American dream, A mysterious rave aims to revive the underground electronic scene in Baton Rouge, Why are young adults watching 'Bluey?' For all of Oswalds notoriety, there was little reaction to her being on campus. Later, she married Kenneth Jess Porter in 1965. Suddenly a widow at age 22, with two young children to raise, Marina Oswald seemed overwhelmed by the media maelstrom enveloping her. Why have you started to speak out?A: Well, there was a lot of misinformation being released related to a book, "Case Closed," by Gerald Posner. It was hilarious.Q: If someone was to ask you today who your father is, what would you say? There are a lot of assassination buffs who have analyzed all the technical data and the other available material and even they don't agree about what happened.Q: But are you comfortable with the fact that Lee Oswald played at least some role?A: I think there definitely is circumstantial evidence that could imply he had something to do with it because of the characters he was hanging out with in New Orleans. There's a lot of genetic things you can't even control that are inborn in your kids. Why are 40+ guests suddenly reading this very old thread, as well as a smaller but still significant number reading an old thread on Marina? But you know, just because you're hanging out with a weird group -- they could have set him up, and he could have had no idea what was going on that day.Q: Did you ever take the so-called assassination tour?A: Not until recently. She described Michiganders as like the weather crisp and cool. She made no mention of her young daughters, and said she could not provide any interviews because she had a pending book contract. You try to be nice because you don't want to make somebody upset who's going to seek you out if they're kooky enough to do that stuff anyway. The APB [all points bulletin] for the suspect of JFK's assassination was described as an early or mid-twenties caucasian male between 59511 in h Very interesting. I tell her, "Rachel, for all we know, we could have been living in the streets." As she told the Warren Commission during her three days of combative testimony, "It is no crime to sell the pictures. He beat my mother. My husband couldn't have cared less. But anonymity exacted a curious price of its own, as June faced myriad graceless references to her father, mother and family. She mentioned that newspapers have never covered her story. And I'll tell you why: It could come up at any minute. Born in Dallas, Texas on October 20, 1963 to Lee Harvey Oswald and Marina Nichola nee Proosakova Porter. Q: Over the years, you've kept a pretty low profile. A week later, Campbell met with his congregation and explained the executive committees thinking. "I do not think that she is a very sound thinking woman, and I think that part of the guilt is hers," she told the Warren Commission. So I called my staff in, a group of 10 or so, and I said: "Yes, that is me in the article. So he moved to Boston and wanted me to join him. Please get her away from Michigan. She however remarried two years after Oswalds murder. Now, the word father does mean Lee to me, But dad is Dad. The way I finally woke up was, one night he said, "I'm gonna sell an article to Penthouse or Playboy"- I forget which - "and it's about your mother. The way I finally woke up was, one night he said, "I'm gonna sell an article to Penthouse or Playboy" -- I forget which -- "and it's about your mother. ___________________________________________, Reminds me of Elvis Costello's song "Watching The Detectives.". 1.65 m). My secretary in my last job put two and two together based on one of those articles. We lived in poor housing, or were taken in by others. Tho I have been told that both daughters have been burned. I do remember that our phones were tapped. By found it I meant that I was looking back through the forum pages and this was posted first in 2004 so I decided to bring it back up to peoples attention. Got a question? The Michigan Daily made no mention of her presence (We just dont think shes news, the editor said). I do remember that our phones were tapped. Well, that's what Rachel wants to believe. June is quieter about her own marriage, which ended in 1992. Oswald with ELI Director Catford on graduation day in February 1965. I want to make sure they understand why I'm so matter-of-fact about it. I'm convinced that your mother and Priscilla had a sexual relationship." Great!" It made no mention of his brothers infamous place in history. My father is Kenneth Porter, the man I grew up with, the man who was there for my mother and Rachel and me. Raised by her stepfather, Rachel Oswald Porter didnt know who her birth father was as a young child. Priscilla was a CIA asset, IMHO, as was June Cobb in Cuba. Before the year came to a close, the churchs leaders would invite Oswald to Ann Arbor and offer to host her while she studied at U-M. She kept herself together for us. So l never connected it as a big negative or anything. "Having seen Marguerite Oswald's son murdered before my eyes, I dreaded intruding upon his mother's grief," Huffaker wrote. So I said, O.K., this is it. Since I hadn't gotten a response, I toyed with the idea that I might have to go public. One would think they would be more anxious to try to, clear his name. She believes that her phones are tapped by the Secret Service and the Secret Service wants to kill her. A: Yes. "I am the strongest person in this tragedy because I have lost everything," she told one journalist who came knocking a decade after the assassination. Audrey Marina Rachel Oswald is the second daughter of Porter and her first husband Lee Harvey Oswald. But she was not too happy that I had found her and at that moment in time was not interested in. Well, I was satisfied with my dad, so I've never felt this big need to connect with Lee or do the daughter-father thing.Q: One can't help but notice that you address him as "Lee. Advertising Notice they went on with their lives as the girls hardly knew their father and are not bothered by others I started worrying about, first of all, do I have a responsibility to tell them? To preserve these articles as they originally appeared, The Times does not alter, edit or update them. Chris Holmstrom CBS, Bio, Wiki, Age, Wife, KCAL9, Salary, and Net Worth, Charley Pride Death, Bio, Wiki, Age, Wife, Children, Songs, Albums, and Net Worth. During her talk, Baker criticized newspaper reports that she said inaccurately portrayed Oswald as a mentally unstable communist. Well, there's a travel guide she found out about that actually listed the Texas Chili Parlor and said the daughter of Lee Harvey Oswald worked there. Yet the CIA never questioned him. She didn't feel like Kenneth was her dad. I know that in my life, Lee wasn't a good man. Upon entering public school, June took the surname of her stepfather, Kenneth Porter, who married Marina in 1965. Twenty-eight years later, she granted this TV interview. I believe he's the first writer-researcher to get interviews with sources in the Russian Government and so this is an opportunity to shed new light on the subject from an area that has never been explored in any meaningful depth. I don't know if I could've done it and kept my sanity: two small children, don't speak the language, dirt poor, everybody in the country pointing their finger at you -- hating you in some cases. A: I've never publicly said one way or the other for sure. See, this is the difference. This is material I never would have known about insofar as my mother's side of the family, because my mother was illegitimate, you know. In Dallas, Porter gave birth to a second daughter, Audrey Marina Rachel Oswald. Although Baker was not in Dealey Plaza when Kennedy was shot, she said she spoke with Oswald 37 hours before. Complicating her situation was that Oswald spoke very little English, was jobless and feared being returned to Russia. Porter is 81 years old. Scheduled to start classes in January 1965, Oswalds arrival was leaked just days before Christmas, forcing the University to acknowledge her enrollment in a terse news release. A: I don't have a comment on it as far as its conclusions because I haven't read them, but I did start the book. "A: I've always called him that. They lived their lives as best as possible. Under the shadow of the stigma. That Lee Harvey Oswald killed Officer Tippit and President Kennedy! Mar WebMarina met Lee Harvey Oswald (a former U.S. Marine who had defected to the Soviet Union) at a dance on March 17, 1961. Nonetheless, during several interviews over the past year, she reports being content. Whom do you really think of as dad?A: Kenneth. Images of John F. Kennedys assassination hold a permanent place in the American consciousness. Q: Your childhood doesn't sound like it was easy. by certain people in the critical communiity, so no wonder they are a bit gunshy. I do blame him for having beat my mother, and not being a good father or a good provider. (Oswald declined all financial offers.). She no longer had reason to doubt her grandiose visions, her place in history. And there have been public hearings there and in Dallas and Boston. A: The last two years have been very stressful, because she started doing things that she hasn't let us know about, then all of a sudden I hear about it or see it on TV. When my mother came on and this interview went so badly, I decided I really wanted to rebut. "She never knew when we'd run into someone, and she didn't want us to look like poor white trash," June says simply. Want to share an anonymous news tip? This was before wiretapping got more sophisticated. She implored the audience to question accepted knowledge about the assassination. Oswald has indicated a desire to continue her education and mastery of the language is a necessary preliminary to such study. She would be one of 28,000 students on campus. I'm a strong woman, but I don't know if I could've kept myself together. Audrey Marina Rachel Oswald - Everything You Wanted To Know About Lee Harvey Oswald's Daughter - Ned Hardy Audrey Marina Rachel Oswald was born on She got all caught up, because she wants so badly to have this identification with her father. If the truth can be found that shows Lee had nothing to do with the assassination, I would feel better in that there have been a lot of things said and done regarding my family that all proceeded from an erroneous perception of what he did or didn't do. I did not call in the middle of the night however and I did not say I wished to sing my song to her. In 1963, after the assassination of President Kennedy, Oswald was arrested. Lee was illegitimate, and so was my mother. [3] They married six weeks later and had a Baker, who said she was a trained nurse, referred to the plot as a cancer research project. We regard Mrs. Oswald as a typical institute student, said ELI Director John C. Catford when her enrollment was announced. Lee Harvey Oswald's youngest daughter, Rachel, was only one month old in 1963 when her father allegedly killed president Kennedy. A: I would make a difference in the sense of justice being served. Are you able to maintain the same detachment when you see that? Still, the help for Oswald paled compared to the support for the widows and children of President Kennedy and Officer Tippit. Porter still lives with her second husband Kenneth, however in private, and is afraid to go out in public. Moreover, she lived there with her mother and stepfather until 1957. 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