Again, how is it 'clearly' the same voice? Nah, the only dreams in the movie are the one that Alice tells to Billand then Bill "daydreams' (thinks about) her having sex with thatsailor. Put on some headphones and listen. And even if it was clear, even if he hadreferred directly to the events of the night before as the (Somerton)party, it would still be uncertain, because. A powerful man realizes one night that his wife has had not one but myriad <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. No, it was just set up that way, as a puzzle, so that there would beendless discussion. while walking down one of the NY streets, the background glowsbeautifucally. Orgy? And the redeemer's pubic hair is also trimmed the same. at the ceremony/orgy. He's super modern too, so his favorite movies include Jaws, Die Hard, The Thing, Ghostbusters and Batman. Bill is still even denying he knows what Zeigler > is talking about till Zeigler says "I was there at the house. > It's totally clear the "party' in this reference, is Somerton. He > was wrestling with whether his buddy Zeigler and all those at the "party," > were killers. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. Orgy? >>>>>>>>If this were really thecase, wouldn't Bill have recognised that voice when speaking to themasked woman at Somerton, instead of asking her "Who are you?" What else could he call it? So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figureon the basis of his eyes? >Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. Bill is still even denying he knows what Zeigler is talking about till Zeigler says "I was there at the house. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Its common sense he was referring to Somerton as the party. I agree though, he hadnt made a defintiive connection yet. And wouldn't he really feel more at home in amore errrrrrrrr Gnostic setting? Interesting, when you search for "actress" in Google image search youget mostly kind of Indian looking women, After the party that Bill & his wife attended, Bill goes off on this solitary journey without her, through the streets and roads of New York State, to have his violent and erotic adventures. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. - Zieglerwasn't concerned about her health, just eager to get rid of her so asto avoid any potential social embarrassment, "Bill, this is justbetween us"). Bill is, after all, wearing a mask; not only that, butthe Mandy who was in Ziegler's bathroom the night before was 1. sodrugged out as to have been clearly incapable of making sense ofanything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligiblemumbling), Ziegler doing all the talking and explaining. When Bill thinks hes just about to score his own sexual liaison, his charade is exposed. That is what she was" implying that her deathis of no consequence because of the low-status manner in which Zieglerchooses to define her (an identity created and perpetuated by theZieglers of the world in the first place), earlier confirmed by hisdesire to get the drugged-out Mandy out of his bathroom and house("Can we put some clothes on her and get her out of here?" i'm sure he knew that aaudiences would be sophisticated enough toexamine the bodies as bill is doing in the morgue. Much as you often dream of people, in a distorted way, whom you met while awake. > First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he was > showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom. [Some irrelevant pseudo-Buddhist gibberish snipped]. The main point, was that that kind of mental approach to things, is actually the biggest impediment to focusing the mind. Even had Alice found it in the cadenza, would she have recognized it as meaningful and taken it? Padraig has been writing about film online since 2012, when a friend asked if he'd like to contribute the occasional review or feature to their site. > Well I hope you see now that this is clear after reading the dialogue. And you bring up anachoronistic Deleuze and Guattari? The second half of Eyes Wide Shut sees Bill being given ominous warnings from this secret society, and he can't seem to find his mask from the party. Even had Alice found it in the cadenza, would > she have recognized it as meaningful and taken it?>> Even though much was 'cleared" up there are still major mysteries here. Which all suggests that Ziegler didn't actually know> about Bill's presence at Somerton until he removed his mask > <<<<<<<<<<<<. Please either stop orshape up. -- Fred Brooks, I think I saw the "Rhizomatic" for sale on TV Late last night. WebThe bodies of more completely nude masked women assail Bills voyeuristic eyes (and those of the audience). He is not exactly > voicing his thoughts. It's totally clear the "party' in this reference, is Somerton. Please either stop > or> shape up. WebEyes Wide Shut Mask Woman - Etsy Browse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask woman and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a >Even in the morgue he still might not have> been positive, but he replays her voice in his head while looking over the> body. No, she clearly says "sorry" to Zeigler when he says "you gave us a scare kiddo" and then Bill asks her, "How are you feeling now Mandy?" Statanic mass? (Video in comments) : r/Ghostbc Jocelyn Pook and Opening Title Music from Eyes Wide Shut (1999) | walkerhomeschoolblog. And why should anyone acceptanything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman(or women) as "a hooker. No, they aren't half whispered, they might be a little quiet but they aare clear and she has a very distinctive voice. Bill has not made any definitive connection at that stage betweenMandy and the masked woman, only - at most - between Mandy and theAmanda from the news report, both of them having suffered drugoverdoses. If it was all a elaborate part of Bill's initiation into the order. Desire is always the desire of theOther our dreams constituring the realisation of desire. Much of what we have seen is Bill's non-verbal reactions to > all this, which is full of shock and bewilderment. He could choose to call it many things, but 'party'? You're coming across as yet another FUCKING TROLL!! Statanic mass? The most obvious answer is Alice found the mask and left it out as a way to let Bill know she knew something was going on. I mean hewas filmed only in england, but the photography behind him in thatglove clapping shot is projected or whatever and so that means that hedidn't care that mucha bout switching things around like actresses andstuff, it's about masks anyway the movie is. Crumb Eye. I enjoy the > mystery entirely and will return to it over and over and could watch the > film again and again.>, >>>>>>>>>>>>> And if this firgure was Ziegler, why would he subsequently> send a naked masked woman over to Bill for his benefit? When Bill asks what, she simply responds, "Fuck." Eyes Wide Shut developed after Stanley Kubrick read Arthur Schnitzler's Dream Story in 1968, when Kubrick was looking for a project to follow 2001: A Space Odyssey. Kubrick was interested in adapting the story, and with the help of journalist Jay Cocks, bought the filming rights to the novel. The goal of yoga practice was to STOP all that useless babble---because that is how a person actually makes the breakthrough to see reality as it is. > Well thats all true, but of course that was SK making a masterpiece and > one of the most amazing films ever made IMO. I had absolutely no idea you were involved in any way. The (unnamed) woman in the mask who warns > Doctor Cruise is the same woman who ends up dead in the morgue. >on the balcony looking down> at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to him. Perhaps Alice was already attending these rituals and this was a way to gently break in stuffy and repressed Bill to this new found club and part of his initiation. Carolin Ruwe, in her book Symbols in Stanley Kubrick's Movie 'Eyes Wide Shut', argues that the mask is the prime symbol of the film. He only ultimately acceptsZiegler's account because itgives him a convenient alibi (as well as because of Ziegler's powerfulposition - Bill is Ziegler's man, obeying his orders, subscribing tothe demands and realities of Ziegler's world). What does the mask on the pillow at the end of Eyes Wide Shutmean? (meaning the Mysterious woman) "victor the woman lying dead at the morgue was the women at the party, well victor, maybe i'm missing something heyou call it a Charadetell me what kind of Charade ends up with someone dead.". When I did this, at first it seems like a similar, but different face, but then seeing one frame of the bathroom scene from a certain angle, it jumped out at me that it was the same person, but I could be wrong. Poor Clark. And how does Bill know that a cape and a mask was appropriate attire? Which all suggests that Ziegler didn't actually knowabout Bill's presence at Somerton until he removed his mask >> If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade. Which all suggests that Ziegler didn't actually knowabout Bill's presence at Somerton until he removed his mask <<<<<<<<<<<<. http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/japanese-zen/. In the spur of the moment people might first recognize voices, subliminally. Are you suggesting that the people running Somerton would let the> women there know that there was an interloper? and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing > this," Mandy says, "Ya." He wasn't positive. Now that's out of the way, a brief introduction. If he were> Ziegler, wouldn't he instead be going out of his way to privately> communicate with Bill, to get Bill out of Somerton as quickly as> possible in order to avoid any possible trouble (and as Ziegler> subsequently admits, Bill's gate-crashing 'made me look like a> complete fool')? Other interpretations are floating around, including the idea Alice was also at the party, and while there's no set meaning for how the mask got on that pillow, the idea Alice put it there herself seems to be the prevailing theory. This website has Julienne Davis listed with photos--in all three scenes! Perhaps the conspiracies surrounding Eyes Wide Shut began when the maker of the film, Stanley Kubrick, died only days after the first viewing of it. "Kelpzoidzl" wrote in message news:[email protected] "Kelpzoidzl" wrote in message. What is interesting is that the film's very ambiguity concerning theidentities of the three women (Mandy, masked woman, woman in morgue),sets up a desire to 'fill in' all the film's narrative gaps anddeadlocks, a desire to shut down such uncertainty, to give - just likeZiegler - an easy, 'commonsensical' black and white 'explanation' ofevents. that Bill first makes this connection, or at least, hasit confirmed by someone else (Ziegler)", Ditto. They paid off the desk cleark to tell Bill, that Nick was being roughed up, or perhaps the clerk is one of those men dancing with men at the ceremony/orgy and in fact Mandy, although on the slab was not really dead. But the worst thing is your silly and smug arrogance. ", "Victor what can I say. >>>>>>>> And even if it was clear, even if he hadreferred directly to the events of the night before as the (Somerton)party, it would still be uncertain, because, 1. > not bothering, even, to use them correctly, the way that you are using > them> serves to obfuscate rather than clarify your meaning. Eyes Wide Shut is a 1999 erotic mystery psychological drama film directed, produced and co-written by Stanley Kubrick. > But the credits have Abigail Good as> "mysterious woman" and Julienne Davis as Mandy. Why would he demand that she take offher mask if this were so? I am still on the side of those who think SK left that scene of the reflection of the sound man holding the boom mike at his crotch, in the crome tub enclosure, on purpose, that the DVD edited out. That is what she was" implying that her deathis of no consequence because of the low-status manner in which Zieglerchooses to define her (an identity created and perpetuated by theZieglers of the world in the first place), earlier confirmed by hisdesire to get the drugged-out Mandy out of his bathroom and house("Can we put some clothes on her and get her out of here?" ". >> If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade.>>, >>>>>>>>>>>That would not be valuable or insightful speculation, but a total> denial of most of what happens in the film (another variation of 'it's> all just a dream', everything being attributable to the delusions of> Bill's mind, a denial of the world of social power, similar to saying> that everything that happens to Jack Torrance in The Shining is all> 'in his mind'). > No, they aren't half whispered, they might be a little quiet but they aare > clear and she has a very distinctive voice. Given how upset she appeared following his confession, it's very unlikely she knew exactly what he was out doing, however. She helps Bill at the and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing >> this," Mandy says, "Ya." And isn't this the mistake that many of the film's> critics made, reading Ziegler's story as 'ruining' the mystery,> desublimating the film's narrative by means of an all-neat-and-tidy> denouement? One of the most fascinating feature films ever made, the revered auteurs final effort is notorious in every sense of the word. > Take another listen. This is simple. What is interesting is that the film's very ambiguity concerning theidentities of the three women (Mandy, masked woman, woman in morgue),sets up a desire to 'fill in' all the film's narrative gaps anddeadlocks, a desire to shut down such uncertainty, to give - just likeZiegler - an easy, 'commonsensical' black and white 'explanation' ofevents. orpsychotherapists. Related: Every Stanley Kubrick Movie Ranked, Worst To Best. It would be odd for him to say, "orgy," or ritual, etc. news:[email protected] > Harry writes: (seen on google)>> >>> 1. so drugged out as to have been clearly incapable of making sense >> >>> of>>> anything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligible >> mumbling),<<<>, >> No, she clearly says "sorry" to Zeigler when he says "you gave us a scare >> kiddo" and then Bill asks her, "How are you feeling now Mandy?" Isn't that - again - amazing; except that you're not even unfortunateenough to have a mindless head, given the large quantities ofbubblewrap - and nothing else - between your ears take care, MrKelpless. At what point do we decide whether Corpse Mandy's very. Given that you have, as you already admitted, absolutely nounderstanding of the terms used or indeed the context in which theywere used, your pedantry is now exposed as pure and contemptiblefraudulence. This is the implication of Dream Storytoo - with the movie being quite faithful to the structure of the novella - though Kubrick obviously leaves this moment up to interpretation. In a big crowd of masked people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is) on the balcony looking down at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to him. It's not like he is going to voice all his thoughts. What a mish mash of mentalmasturbation that is..", " Psycho-semi-freudian-lacanisn-junkie-marxist babbling. In Eyes Wide Shut, Abigail Good plays a `Mysterious Woman'. The movie is based on the 1920's novella Dream Storyand Kubrick developed the project for decades, and once considered a slightly more comedic take with Steve Martin in the lead role. WebEyes Wide Shut. > Mandy was not the same woman. S he was the same woman who overdosed at Victor Ziegler's party earlier in the movie. So check out Mandy's Wink on the slab---it's very fast, but it is there:), Yeah but he used the same actor for different roles in Dr Strangeloveand in some scenes of Eyes Wide Shut he has Cruise on a treadmillagainst a blue screen using real photography of NYC behind him, thenin the next scene Cruise is filmed against a set in england. > But it isn't clear at all, and nobody in the film refers to the events> at Somerton as a 'party.'<<<<<<<. Poor pitiful morons that we all are -thank Bog he's put off Nirvana for so long. Web1-48 of 339 results for "Eyes Wide Shut Mask" RESULTS Price and other details may vary based on product size and color. But maybe he's just practicing forhis Boddhisatva qualification tests.- you know, the 'enlightening thegreat unwashed masses' thing. It was a party nevertheless. It is as if he Wanted, as if hedesired, compelled, it to be so again, its at two - simultaneousbut contradictory - levels (as ALWAYS in many of Kubrick's films -like in The Shining: are the spectral ghosts 'real' or is Jack etcimagining them? "you are going to need some rehab," she says, >> "I know.">. reinforced bythe simple observation that you have never actually posted here before[at least under your supplied handle/ID]. And coming from the newsgroup'sresident acid-headed, solipsistic zombie. Next: The Shining: Why Stanley Kubrick Changed Stephen King's Story. I don't think there were any other dreams, although the redpool table scene always seemed the most dreamlike to me. The lost of public phones booths will kill off Superman, Dr. Who, and Colin Farrell roles. ", and for those whom may have something like an actual interest in, > In rec.arts.movies.past-films Kelpzoidzl <. ", "I saw her body in the morgue. People were dancing, there was music wearing costumes, and although it was strange, calling it a "party," would not be unusual in the slightest. > the same time, being simple and concrete. Again, how is it 'clearly' the same voice? <<<<<<<<<<<. "The ng will die when there are no longer any participants. ", > I'm sorry, but this has to be said: I'm pretty sure I know what you, > mean,> but the way you're saying it is silly. 20 years ago today, the final masterpiece from the late, great Stanley Kubrick arrived in theaters. And isn't this the mistake that many of the film'scritics made, reading Ziegler's story as 'ruining' the mystery,desublimating the film's narrative by means of an all-neat-and-tidydenouement? Well thats all true, but of course that was SK making a masterpiece and one of the most amazing films ever made IMO. at the >> ceremony/orgy.>, > Again, how is it 'clearly' the same voice?>. I think the voice would have rung a bell and > the Newspaper story rang a bell, with the name Amanda, and of course > seeing the corpse of someone who may have sacrificed her life for him--so > he was in shock. Tragically it was the director's final film with Kubrick dying less than a week after screening an incomplete cut for the studio and its stars. It seems evident that Kubrick carefully selected the Rothschild-owned location and hand-picked the masks worn by participants of the ritual, echoing real-life families and events. Eyes Wide Shut is Stanley Kubrick's final movie starring Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman, but what does the mask on the pillow near the end mean? Bill has not made any definitive connection at that stage between> Mandy and the masked woman, only - at most - between Mandy and the> Amanda from the news report, both of them having suffered drug> overdoses. (meaning > the Mysterious woman), ME"So..Victor the woman lying dead at the morgue was the> women at the party, well Victor, maybe i'm missing something > but what kind of Charade ends up with someone dead.". >>He also must have recognized the voice, considering that her voice is >>somewhat deep and throaty with a tinge of distinctive accent. Mandy was not the same woman. -Herodotus, You do not have permission to delete messages in this group, Either email addresses are anonymous for this group or you need the view member email addresses permission to view the original message, I thought the woman who ODd at the dance party (Mandy), the woman who, Well, in the interview with "Mandy" - I don't care to look up her name, Here is a youtube video of "Mandy" (Julienne Davis), singing in her band, I sent a message to the YouTube person who hosted those "Mandy" videos if. 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