Surrounded by sycophants, who knew better. So, Am I over thinking it?, one wonders. What I count is as follows: @ Dee Parsons: But one thing I know, we have a choice in our behaviors. If you arent getting that from family, church and friends might conceivably help meet that need. I dont understand the purpose!!!!! See, here is the problem . Many friends of mine wouldnt have been willing to come to church (and eventually come to Christ) without the rock worship band and friendly-to-outsiders sermons. Scapegoats? The Elders reviewed none for content. Given the complexity and amount of ongoing business involved in a multi-million-dollar, multi-campus enterprise, I would thank that their legal counsel would have ensured that documents (including emails) from all board members, staff, and other employees would need to be preserved, in case of legal/criminal issues arising. Because your mind tells you this particular man YOU KNOW would never so you must be misjudging. The first half of the book, written by Lynne Hybels, explores the early years of Willow Creek and the personal accounts behind one of this century's most . Where I work we are required to use the company secure email system if sending high or moderate risk information (e.g., social security numbers, credit card numbers, student records, health information). @ JB: I think its more common than any of us think. Harvey was condemned by Hollywood while Bill received the proverbial Standing O, I had to read this twice. Thank you for adding some lightness to this overwhelming news. One was at the Heidelblog about Tom Chantry and one at the Wee Flea about Iain Campbell, and both bloggers were commanding readers not to gossip, slander, or even form an opinion because we dont know anything, and maybe we dont even WANT to know anything. 3:6, but you gloss over that because really, at the end of the day, in spite of all your preening about your great knowledge of the Koine Greek (proud, haughty, so like your master, eh? May 28, 2021 45 Dislike Share Benjamin Ady 56 subscribers At Willow Creek South Barrington's Congregational Meeting May 2021, with about 200 Core Committed members present, Senior pastor Dave. Wonder who taught Billy to dress like a leader. You see pastor do something and you know its off, but you rationalize it away I mustve misunderstood what was going on. Down the road, you something else, maybe far worse comes up, you think Oh, pastor, hes a little quirky, but he means well. You then experience something genuinely alarming, you think Well, hes an imperfect man, but God uses us all, no ones perfect.. its all changed. Near the end of this article, Dee posted this question for Willow Creek Church: Is it possible that Bill Hybels encouraged the leadership of women in order to increase his own access to women who admired him within the confines of church business, giving him plausible deniability? People can wait decades. These things dont work without followers and their money. You can do a lot more damage with one Suggestion in the right place than a dozen Fireballs. @ Lydia: At CertainPublicSchool kids have been caught in the rest room actually having sex as well as dosing on drugs. Jesus wins. Time for repentance not damage control. Some people stay quiet for too long, even good people. They called people out who were lying, as well as inappropriate practices in the churches.]. I cannot imagine the pain, the hurt. So sad. I was contemplating a megachurch model the other day where teaching pastors had term limits or rotating speakers. Weve both been busy with writing projects and many other things. Is that one of the reasons Student Centers/University Unions include Mall Food Courts and all the amenities of a high-end cruise ship? We do not allow rank condemnation of anyone who has been victimized, even if said person doesnt believe them. It has been posted several times. Western Christians seem to view hell as a location whereas Eastern Christians seem to view it as a state of being. Two general statements: Because I handled it in the moment (As she did with her push away response to Hybels) And it worked. They need to do some reading. We are as busy as they; Betty Schmidt gave 5 specific ways the current Willow Creek elders have misquoted and misrepresented her. Just wonderin, Similarities Unfortunately, some of us are coming to the conclusion that this is what much of The Church really is: a thought reform institution. Its not great for innovation. Position? I think we have lived the same life. Shauna (Hybels) met her husband at Willow Creek before they went to Mars Hill and joined Rob Bells staff. As Bill Hybels learned, there's far more to romantic love than meets the eye. Look at it this way, if they had waited just 6-months longer Brother Hybels would have been given an honorable exit from the ministry as he faded into retirement without facing these allegations. I think thats where you get the people that say reports like this hurt the church. Long after no one can remember Willow Creek and the building is long gone, Jesus will still be Lord. Just think what you could do with a well placed suggestion after taking Ambien. In your view, discussing Hybels behavior is worse than his behavior. Just without a Christianese coat of paint. Im not a lawyer, but do a lot of research and writing on spiritual abuse and toxic organizational systems. not for this long. Are you so sure its the devil? It never ceases to amaze me that the Pew sitters continue on without ever demanding to see a detailed budget. 1 Peter 4:8 @ Davis and Natasha: Well, to show you how prophetic I am, I predicted years ago that most mega churches would be car lots or community centers by now. Little nobodies dont stand a chance. Does Bill Hybel teach future pastors how to get their IT departments to have special deals? Exit music: Cant people be sincere and caring without all that? The whole manipulation tactic is a brain gamer based upon the receivers cognitive dissonance. Christian vs. Jew There just are. In 2019, a six-month-long independent review found all allegations against Bill credible. If people doubted my testimony about being assaulted by a guy who publicly harassed women that nobody could stand, then certainly they wont believe their favored celebrity can do things like that. I mean, most say they want the truth. Or it could be that he has no civil right so to speak to have his hands on her in the first place and therefore the responsibility to monitor his own behavior is his and not hers. And those who go on to attack the victims are generally clueless as to what the bible actually teaches. He could claim that she was making up her story. I think the rule of thumb is that for every person who complains, there are 15-20 more that dont just because of the hassle and expectation nothing will change. Hybels told her he had taken Ambien to give himself an excuse for not remembering all the wrongs he had done and said to her that night in his room. There are no winners here. Like Jesus, they healed people. Thats a laugh. Jodi may get extra points for a time for her clever rant but if this thing goes south she will be the first to go. Of course, some people, probably many people, will do things just for politeness sake. No wonder you have no qualms about slamming the Church, the bride of Christ. Of course not. Mahaney books. Still not handled. Bill Hybels opens his eyes at dawn, rolls out of bed and lands on his knees. Do you want to know about Bill Hybels. This is largely Christianese. Dont know, but I wonder. So many perps being exposed it looks like the Lord is behind the exposure. What BH did is reprehensible. To teach Nancy a lesson with deflection? My pray time this morning brought me directly to this passage in Luke Chapter 6 vs 37-42. Some years ago on a dictionary of internet slang, Christian Side Hug was a term for non-genital sex intended to preserve technical virginity. . He is loving and gracious and is you biggest fan! Boundaries, anyone? 18 For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. The retiring pastor calls it all collusion and lies. I think Bill Hybels is an intelligent man. (In a related relevant situation, wasnt it the tech department that noticed irregularities with messaging from Tullian Tchividjian to women that directly led to the disclosure of his misconduct?). I read it that Jesus was doing the moderating. Given the name Cephas, walking on water (for a time), given the keys of the kingdom and the charge to strengthen the brethren and feed the Lords sheep, speaking out on Pentecost after the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, sharing the Gospel with Cornelius and the Gentiles, and everything else listed in Acts 1-15. A few years ago, I posted The Aurora byTerjeSorgjerd. Married: Spouse: Lynne Hybels (m. 1974) Son/Daughter: Yes (Shauna Niequist and Todd Hybels) Earning: $95,000 : Net Worth: A dishonest person disposes everything in the hope that nothing will ever be retrieved that reveals his guilt. And why on earth is this even a discussion? I definitely have pictures of my cat as a kid dressed up in doll clothes looking not super happy. Open Discussion Page. Then more examples came out. Jesus wins. Leave the tabulations to the guy with the higher pay grade. _____________________________________. @ Julie: Im not convinced that his view of hell can be called heresy. That is not old school. The issue with that is that its not like the secular world, in which after perps have done their time, they can make a living in their field of avocation (though in the case of fraud perpetrators and/or crimes with victims, future funds may be diverted to said victims). And dont forget: This morning, Nancy Ortberg posted Flawed Process, Wounded Women on her website. For most, even for insiders (like I used to be, 2x an elder) it takes a very long time to finally look at things as they actually are and admit Pastor is not only not a decent guy, but whether hes aware of it or not, hes likely sold out to the service of hell itself! And many of them are, perhaps a number that would shock us all. Jesus healed that man and told Peter to stow it. Maybe thats just how he is. : Perhaps God is looking for a different type of leadership in His Church. Not just anyone can do it well. Sounds like at least some of the accusers would like to see justice for sure, but also redemption for even Hybels. This is exactly what you would expect from some Neo-pharisee trying to hide his sin from the world. I can assure you that everyone is reading the comments!!! @ Bridget: Hybels, of Barrington, is married to Willow Creek senior pastor and founder Bill Hybels.Lynne Hybels . I guess you are not aware of the president for whom Hybels was a spiritual advisor. Do it on your personal, not work, email. The Devil is destroying yet another church. 20 years later Ive served in ministry as well as a school administrator for small and very large public high schools. And jet setting. Why would we expect a follower of Hybels to be different from Hybels? Gregory of Nyssa was about as Orthodox as one can get, and yet he was also about as universalist as one can get. She, too, encountered the Ambien excuse. I hope they will be held accountable and step down. My bad for not being back in touch with you. I know a lot of people who just want Christian life to be perfect and they will use every type of denial tactic to believe thats true. Not that hugs are linked to drugs; I am just meandering. Very true, and far too common: Jerry Sandusky, Bill Cosby, Harvey Weinstein, Dr. Larry Nassar, Bill Hybels. People have been had. So, I have having network issues, and a IT person is working on my computer. Please dont judge Nancys actions she did what most women would do. What I am remembering, and what troubled me then, is how these well-meaning people fell under the Willow Creek spell, and how their little, creaky, boring churches could not compete with the new mega entertainment center. @ AbuseCrusher: Will the clay say to the potter, What are you doing? Or the thing you are making say, He has no hands ? Isaiah 45:9. @ Lydia. There is really not a comparison to what the two men did. Chicago Tribune article #5, by Manya Brachear Pashman. I do believe that he may have gone through a time of repentance and contrition, as much as he may understand that he needs to, and has come to the other side of it and that is the reason that he may not seem as repentant as they expect. I dont have any memory of doing and saying those things to her that night!. (1) Discovery of 1,150 emails between Bill and the woman over the previous two years. You gotta really watch out for people who hug themselves. she either did or didnt inform her husband immediately 1. Hybels led many. If there is a 40 year pattern of behaviors, it doesnt matter. God is always present, even in the hard and dark times. 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe. Women get to decide if they want to be touched or not, and oh he did not mean anything by should never even have to be brought into play-in the workplace. Publishers are pulling back for a reason. Hybels idea on how a church should function was to go out and ask non-believers what a church could do to get them to attend. @ okrapod: Oh well. If you arent a hugger, you arent a hugger. Jesus takes care of the harvest. But friends I hug more frequently, family, etc. @ Julie: Because I handled it in the moment (As she did with her push away response to Hybels) And it worked. Recently she revealed that while she was in her 30s she was repeatedly sexually abused by her boss over an eight year period. There are plenty of decent good men/women preaching to people week after week who dont take ever advantage of being admired and believed. Really? I mean, one post here put Hybels name next to Weinstiens. Anyone who would reject Jesus Christ as his/her savior because of this (or any) scandal was not saved in the first place. His wife had died rapidly of inflammatory breast cancer and we were at the funeral home for visitation. We have preached a get of jail free gospel of buy the ticket and everything is as if it never happened. And I promise: NO ONE was ever saved, in all history, because of eloquence. Lets do church. As we got up to leave at the end of the evening Bill said to me in front of the group, Nancy why dont you stay for a couple of minutes for us to discuss your ministry work? 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