You know, "I- I- I Harley, you know, regret the fact that I killed a young maiden or defamed the king" or whatever it is. And "Because women have stepped on me all my life." He believes in me and he trusts me and so much. But he does it with a kind of, uh, amoral athleticism. The thing is that I do have a new boyfriend, but my ex-boyfriend doesn't know that yet, and I'm terrified that he'll do what he says. Why did you do this?" But if you think that's the right thing. Just give me your finger, [crosstalk 00:09:28] I'm going to-. New York Public Radio transcripts are created on a rush deadline, often by contractors. So he plans to destroy Othello. We realize this is hard work, but what you are doing is for the good of Germany. This is RadioLab. Pince-nez, okay. But the guy is cut to shreds, he's allowed to confess. "Demand me nothing, what you know-, From this time forth, I never will speak word." Gary says, "I needed to kill." Natural deposits would be like seaweed or-, Actually two nations in South America went to war-. So, at a time when there are people all over our country eyeing other people all over the country and thinking, "She's bad. It's absolutely essential. Been through this a lot of times before, and she's already told you she's in a hurry. And that was a question that had haunted my father for decades. Our- our friend. You went through this a lot of times before and she's already told you she's in a hurry. Yeah. This text may not be in its final form and may be updated or revised in the future. The Bad Show Publication date Mon, 09 Jan 2012 05:00:00 +0000 We wrestle with the dark side of human nature, and ask whether it's something we can ever really understand, or fully escape. So, Jeff wrote this book because his father, Tom Jensen, was one of the lead detectives tracking Gary Ridgeway. And he goes home for a few days. He is a solder, he works for a general, the general's name is Othello. It's like playing dirty. And it's moving in about one meter per second. And you know what? James Shapiro, Professor of English at Columbia University. Obviously no need to be alarmed, that was not a real shot. Because actually, he studied between 20 and 40 different variants of this same paradigm. He figured maybe 1% of these men would keep flicking these switches up to the highest voltage, but that's not what he found. Big questions are investigated . Check out the Casper or the Wave mattress providing supportive comfort for every body type. You can see this in the surveys that the men filled out after the experiments were over. It's 0924 hours on June 17th, year 2003. That's one of the things that we need to know. My students are murderers.". Robert, I'm going to give you this piece of paper here. They spent the next six months interrogating him. 450 volts every shock now? 2012-06-22 . Okay, it's all right, but we've got to know that. And now that we're sort of just on the other side of that. Hmm. We're going off tape now. He would obscure. And to approach it with kind of crazy joy, I don't know. Hmm. That is captured the nitrogen right out of the air. The killer seemed to have placed the bodies as if they were mannequins. Humans. You know, uh, "I'm going to kill her.". So, I'm going to talk to you over this intercom, okay? You know [crosstalk 00:25:00]. He recruited a bunch of subjects. Okay, we're going off tape now. Meanwhile later that night, the other side of town. Rocket Mortgage by Quicken Loans. Very distinctive looking man. And the number of chemical reactions. In a lab at Yale University with a bunch of regular Americans. That afternoon, he gets in his car, goes home, he finds my mom on the deck, sits down next to her. Fritz Haber's a professor, small university. Yes, it's awesome. Radiolab. The general's name is Othello. I just needed to kill her." Really, that story's been told a million and one times for the last 50 years, we've just got to get over it. Trivalent. Shoots herself in the chest, and is found by her son. A lot of WNYC podcasts do transcripts-- I know On the Media does. And Satan's like, "Well, I- I bet I can change his mind." And he says, "Can I come over and sleep on your couch? A liquid that has captured the nitrogen right out of the air. He buried them, or left their bodies in these little clumps in the woods-. He won't answer me or nothing. The killer seems to have placed the bodies as if they were mannequins. And they would circle yes or no. And so, Satan basically systematically destroys Job's life, takes away his wife, his children, all his material possessions. We'll basically bring it to the front, and when the wind is right, we'll just spray it. An experiment is being conducted in the elegant interaction laboratory at Yale University. Which was sort of asking these questions like, "What makes a person inherently good or bad? What my father and his colleagues know is that something was done to these bodies. The good Iagos make you want to shower the minute you leave the theater. So you ask like, "Why do people do bad things?". Direct your voice to the microphone in the room. Then you left some space at the bottom for them to elaborate if they said, "Yes. To the best of your memory, which word was matched with nice? comment. Our main story is the haunting tale of a chimp named Lucy. And Iago-, He refuses what we fully expect, and what everybody on stage, at that moment, fully expects from him. He had an attack or something there. So my father and the other interviewer in that room that morning, Detective John [Matsen 00:58:19], they start using a line, a tact of interviewing that was very. We'll be right back [inaudible 00:31:42], let's just finish this series. But in a famous incident, one of England's leading scientists refuses to shake his hand. Now the volunteer couldn't see the guy he was shocking, but he could definitely hear him. When Lucy was only two days old she was adopted by a psychologist and his wife who wondered: if given the right environment, how human could Lucy . My name's Benjamin Walker and here are some RadioLab credits. I'm not going to give you what you want. Any time the experimenter said, "You must continue" the shocker would say, "Hell no, I don't.". And I was just astonished-. See now around this point I just don't have anything to do with this guy, I just want to take a shower, walk-. Dan Charles, Sam Keen, Latif Nasser, Fred Koffman and Fritz Stern. Suspected that it could be upwards of 75. I think they have to be extreme in the extreme. So I'm just going to go into this other room over here. He did this experiment a bunch of times, and in a bunch of different ways. Although, I don't know if that's the right word for this next thing 'cause it's sort of more complicated. And once again, another nitrogen compound. The show is nationally syndicated and is available as a podcast. Where sound illuminates ideas, and the boundaries blur between science, philosophy, and human experience. Yes I did lie about that. In that, "Why?" Whether it was feeding, or killing, or-, And he does. Wow. It immediately became apparent that there was going to be difficulties. Because you are sullied by them. No. What kind of tech company does the world need today? Around this same time, officials in the US government are calling him a war criminal. His calculation showed that it couldn't be done. "Oh, you tell me sir, yes sir, no sir, three bags full, sir.". You're bad." And everyone thought, "Well, we know the solution. In those days if you're a convicted male felon, you are, you know, strung up by- You're not allowed to hang till you die. They start disagreeing with each other, and this one you get zero percent going all the way. This is what totally pulled me into the story. Birds would just fall from the air. Here it goes. Podcasts; . And shortly after his return, Clara, allegedly, confronts him and says, "Look, you are morally bankrupt. One of the reasons it grows is because it's sucking up all the nitrogen in the soil. The most common source of nitrogen is in the air around us. Now that's important. He didn't really want to cop to everything that he did. But there's a fellow. And I basically spent the next half hour walking around with him trying to cool him off. Yes. Okay? I just needed to kill because of that. We take a look at one particular fantasy lurking behind these numbers, and wonder what this shadow world might tell us about ourselves and our neighbors. Uh, Haber it's unknown what happened for the rest of that evening, but it is a well-documented fact that the very next morning. Hundreds of them were falling to the ground. Hi I'm Robert Krulwich. And he is celebrated for it. And then, the final one. And 91% of the men said yes. And give up the few details that they really needed to link him certifiably to all his crimes. Very distinctive looking man, bald on top, trim nice mustache, wore a little [pince-nez 00:28:20]. Terms and conditions apply. But we ended up walking this question around different people-. Because it's like we started with this experiment that we all see as evidence of humans' latent capacity for evil. I have a choice, I'm not going to go ahead with it. With all of the black-and-white moralizing in our world today, we decided to bring back an old show about the little bit of bad that's in all of usand the little bit of really,reallybad that's in some of us. So, he decided he was going to invent a process to pay for these reparations by himself and what he decided to do is go into the ocean, into seawater, which contains, um, uh, some very small levels of gold. It's about how far would these people go. Have you ever thought about killing someone? We just got to get ov- get out of it where-. Visit our website. In a rage how? You know what's going to happen if she [inaudible 01:02:25]. Pat, go ahead. Something's happening to that man in there. They're, supposedly, chums but General Othello has no idea that that Iago-. Bread from the air was the phrase 'cause Haber had figured out a way to take nitrogen from the air, put it into the barren ground, and grow wheat. They reached back to the shelf and they find this Zyklon stuff. And I think what we want out of the why is meaning. And then, he seemed fine when I said goodbye to him. He could have never imagined that. Trim, nice mustache. Do we know? I'll give you bad. Yes, I did mean to kill. When you press one of these switches all the way down, the learner gets a shock. WNYC's Radiolab The Good Show Hosted by Jad Abumrad and Robert Krulwich Jan. 01, 2012 The standard view of evolution is that living things are shaped by cold-hearted competition. And you tell us, "Actually, no. Or nice chair? "Research in any field is a must, particularly in this day and age. And so, I went up to the bedroom and he was, you know, in a rage. He would have each subject sit down at a table. Wow. Jeff Jensen's book is the Green River Killer: A True Detective Story. Does everybody, at some point, have something dark in them that just tiptoes out, from time to time? Chimps. It immediately became apparent that there was going to be difficulties. And he finds her actually still alive, with the life about to run out of her. And in this one you get 0% going all the way. Really, that story has been told a million and one times for the last 50 years. Which is a fairly small-ish sort of town, and so does Clara. Podcast Transcripts of Radiolab Radiolab Society & Culture Science Latest Transcripts What Up Holmes? He would deny things, he would obscure, he would dance around things. But as far as I know, there are none for Radiolab.I think I once read a statement from Jad and/or Robert that they view the show as an audio experience, and so believe it can't be captured in a transcript. But the generals were not all that convinced? She says, "What happened today?" You literally get a drip, drip, drip, of ammonia. Check out the Blank Slate, a book by Steven Pinker, one of the world's leading experts on language and the mind. Visit our website terms of use at www.wnyc.org for further information. Then he goes and, you know, and celebrates that. Haber finds himself in a little town in Belgium called-. They were gagging, they were choking; hundreds of them were falling to the ground like-. So he felt publicly humiliated. People like director Sam Mendez, musicians Jean Batiste, and Wynton Marsalis, Call Your Girlfriends [inaudible 00:27:12], and our very own Alec Baldwin. The first victims of the Green River killer were found in the summer of 1982. 1933 comes. All right, so I'm going to talk to you over this intercom, okay? She was one of the first women to earn a PhD in her country. And it's moving at about one meter per second. So, it's very-. He's chomping on a Virginian cigar. So, he ends up admitting it. [inaudible 00:06:31], Well not horrified, it was I pretty stunned. Just a little glimmer. Is that how you say that thing-. Only then does God speak up and kind of say, like, "You're gonna question me?" I think you got to answer it with him, right? Thank you Ben. Literally disappeared for six months, and didn't tell anyone where she was because she was terrified that he was going to kill her. We should say that this next section of the program has some references which are extremely graphic-. His calculations showed that it couldn't be done. But as the play goes on, you begin to think that maybe that's just another lie. plus-circle Add Review. The experiment requires that we continue. Yes. And on June 13th, 2003, Gary was secretly taken out of his jail cell and brought to this sort of very nondescript concrete ugly office building and, um, over the next six months from June to early December. When you needed to stop for breath, your hand ran light and steady. He brings her up as an example of a- of a woman that he actually had strong feelings for. This is just a tsunami of evil that passes through the play. That's historian, Fritz Stern, who also happens to be Fritz Haber's godson. Mm-hmm (affirmative). Yeah. He could do anything. You wouldn't though, would you really? You mean they're looking at 20 million people hungry? The authoritative record of New York Public Radio's programming is the audio record. He was always smoking his Virginian cigars. Radiolab is supported by Casper. Stanley Milgram took electric shock very seriously. My point is sometimes when we ask the why in the face of profound evil I kind of wonder if what we're doing is that we're daring God to show himself. It's a good one. He started calling me a whore and told me he didn't love me anymore. These little nitrogen atoms will fiercely hold together, and it's almost impossible to pry them apart. But did it, publicly, in front of her friends. Yeah let's . He would say over and over again. "I need to kill because of that." Look, the participants, it's not just blind obedience, "Oh you tell me so, yes sir, no sir, three bags full, sir.". No. In graphic detail. Go. ", "Set deadly enmity between two friends make poor men's cattle break their necks, set fire on barns and haystacks in the night, and bid the owners quench, you quench with their tears. Yeah, I carried your oxygen and you walked beside me through the lobby commenting on the decor. I'm really proud of Job, he believes in me, and he trusts me in so much, and he has such great faith in me. Let's just finish this. The subjects range in occupation from corporation presidents, to Good Humor men, and plumbers. He'll be our guide for the segment. One that applies smart technologies at scale with purpose and expertise; not just for some, but for all. All right. So if you have kids in the room, maybe this is a time to tell them to go brush their teeth or something. And then she said, "I actually did this. He's such a puzzle to me. Maybe this is the time they tell them to go brush their teeth or something. And when you stick a seed like weed seed in the ground-. There's something deeply, deeply wounding, stressing, upsetting at the thought that he had anything to do with zyklon B; but he did. To him, he seemed calm and I left, and went home. But what you're doing is for the good of Germany, and this is necessary in order to advance our noble cause.". And he said, to start, "You want to know about bad? He has such great faith in me." Visit rocketmortgage.com/radiolab. What my father and his colleagues know is that something was done to these bodies; many of them after they were murdered. Because the thing that you put into the ground to grow more food is also the thing you can explode to make a bomb? I'm not going to go ahead with it. They're trying to be good participants. And the way I killed her, I cared for her because I dated her for [inaudible 01:01:43]. Tell us anything about [inaudible 00:58:03]-. And he says, "Can I come over and sleep on your couch? He's standing there on the front pushing the gas into the lungs of other human beings. You've touched me. Is that how you say that? Copyright 2019 New York Public Radio. Well that's to [inaudible 00:19:32], just cut it out. "This was exactly what was in my mind. Certainly friends of his did. Now we don't exactly know why, there are hints of reasons that maybe he thinks Othello's sleeping with his wife; we're not sure. Haber starts thinking, in order to do this we need to, uh, pressure this. Bald on top. And invited me over. He would deny things. I'm going to give you a little, uh (laughing). You know, he does it without humility, without- without a lot of doubt. This actually brings us to our first top of the hour, so just to set it up, Robert, I'm going to give you this piece of paper here. The use of it, he couldn't have imagined. And not just yeses. Gary is dancing around this topic. In Seattle today a man called the Green River killer-. We lived together for a couple months, he was very aggressive, he started calling me a whore, and told me he didn't love me anymore, so I broke up with him. So he sends a letter to the Ministry of Education resigning, and he leaves Germany. If this is the singular moment in Shakespeare where he gives you un-understandably evil man. That he asked Gary, there was a lot of questions he was asking. [2] Wasn't satisfied [inaudible 01:01:21] maybe mad 'cause she was very much in a hurry. If I don't leave my house right now, I'm going to kill her." It's 9:24 hours on June 17th, year 2003. But even with all that gore and horribleness, there was often a moment that people waited for; and in a way we wait for it still, even now. But in all of these other scenarios, they don't. Thanks. And you like her. And to this day they have not talked about that day. So, he starts experimenting. Don't- don't the man's health mean anything? And they ask for it to be reformulated to take out the warning smell. And he ran them through something like what you and I just did. And if they didn't go on, if they resisted [crosstalk 00:18:11] the experimenter would break out prod number two. It's all right. It's a pretty (bleep) thing to miss, isn't it really? Maybe it's all about doubt in the end. Accuracy and availability may vary. This is Everybody was desperate for sources, new sources of nitrogen. But it wasn't until a few years later that he learned something that really put what happened that night into context. Ear drums, God. Dylan Keith is our director of sound design. Like, you know, "Who are you?". I'm not saying a word. In fact, we hate being told, but we will do it on our own if we think it's good. Like, you can't throw that air onto a plant (laughing). It was about how far would these people go? Radiolab weaves stories and science into sound and music-rich documentaries. It makes up four out of every five or so molecules that we breathe, so it's very-. Hi, this is Lauren from Winnipeg. Probably have, but in case you haven't. A given episode might whirl you through science, legal history, and into the home of. Yes, it's awesome, thank you, Ben. Yeah, necrophilia. With help from Adam Cole, Rachel James, and Matt [Kielty 01:07:25]. Now what you need to understand about Alex Haslem is that he hates it when interviewers only want to talk about the baseline study. Like shocking an innocent stranger over and over. It's a graphic or an illustrated novel. Our thanks to Ben Walker, whose podcast he has a podcast and it's a good one. And every scenario produced a different result. ", Um, but Haber just kind of ignored her and-, He actually threw a dinner party in celebration-. As we continue listening to the Bad Show episode on human nature, our neighbors and ourselves, check out the Blank Slate by Steven Pinker available on Audible. He's bad. Okay. Finally acknowledging, "Yeah, that's true." All right. They're supposedly chums, but General Othello has no idea that Iago-. Only 10% under those circumstances go on. They're engaged with the task. All rights reserved. So, there's a way in which it touch a spark of humanity. Today's date is, uh, June 17th. 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